Disputations in the History of Atrocities


The history of atrocities is not an easy topic.

Consider the following, from Jim Donald’s blog:

 

zhai2nan2 says:

Chang Hsien-chong’s history is disputed.

The historians who portray him as a homicidal maniac had major conflicts of interest. They probably falsified records.

In fact, what Chang originally wrote was probably the following:

Heaven brings forth innumerable things to nurture man.
Man has nothing good with which to recompense Heaven.
The spirits and gods are knowing, so reflect on this and examine yourselves.

  • jim says:

    Of course it is disputed. Leftists lie about everything.

    But there is clear and overwhelming evidence that the entire population of Szechwan was murdered, largely tortured to death, largely tortured each other to death, an extraordinary crime, without precedent in societies with written history. If not Chang, who? Who else had the power or the motive? Someone committed this quite extraordinary act.

    Further, the historian on whom I rely is Donnithorde. What conflict of interest does Donnithorde have? What reason to lie or falsify records does he have?

    • spandrell says:

      Donnithorde says that the stele didn’t say “kill x7″, but that was the folk transmitted saying about the original stele which was found in Hanzhou, which says “The spirits and gods are knowing, so reflect on this and examine yourselves.”

      And Donnithorde says it was Chang’s armies who tortured and killed the populace when they rebelled against him. Hardly “tortured each other”.

      • jim says:

        Donnithorde says that the stele didn’t say “kill x7?,

        Donnithorde says that the stele did not say “kill kill kill kill kill kill kill”, but Chang did say “kill kill kill kill kill kill kill”

        Hardly “tortured each other”.

        He cut the feet off his own concubine

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